The following statement was made at the April 2023 LDS General Conference
“The key is to follow the living prophet. Unlike vintage comic books or vintage cars, prophetic teachings do not become more valuable with age. We should not seek to use the words of past prophets to dismiss the teachings of living prophets.” – Elder Haynie, GC April 2023
This is in direct confrontation to what the Lord has revealed to past Prophets.
Joseph wrote in the times and seasons April 1, 1844 “If any man writes to you, or preaches to you doctrines contrary to the Bible, the Book of Mormon, or the book of Doctrine and covenants set him down as an imposter. You need not write to us to know what you are to do with such men; you have the authority with you- Try them by the principles contained in the acknowledged word of God; if they teach or preach practice contrary to that, disfellowship them: cuit them off from among you useless and dangerous branches, and if they are belonging to any of the quorum in the church report them to the president of the quorum…”
True prophets don’t contradict each other. Why? Because true prophets share the same eternal truths and message. This statement by Elder Haynie admits that current LDS leaders aren’t true prophets. Why? Because God is “the same today, yesterday and forever.” After all “And all scripture given by inspiration of God is profitable — for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits.” Matthew 7:15-16
“Behold, will ye believe in the day of your visitation—behold, when the Lord shall come, yea, even that great day when the earth shall be rolled together as a scroll, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, yea, in that great day when ye shall be brought to stand before the Lamb of God—then will ye say that there is no God? Then will ye longer deny the Christ, or can ye behold the Lamb of God? Do ye suppose that ye shall dwell with him under a consciousness of your guilt? Do ye suppose that ye could be happy to dwell with that holy Being, when your souls are racked with a consciousness of guilt that ye have ever abused his laws? Behold, I say unto you that ye would be more miserable to dwell with a holy and just God, under a consciousness of your filthiness before him, than ye would to dwell with the damned souls in hell. For behold, when ye shall be brought to see your nakedness before God, and also the glory of God, and the holiness of Jesus Christ, it will kindle a flame of unquenchable fire upon you. O then ye unbelieving, turn ye unto the Lord; cry mightily unto the Father in the name of Jesus, that perhaps ye may be found spotless, pure, fair, and white, having been cleansed by the blood of the Lamb, at that great and last day. And again I speak unto you who deny the revelations of God, and say that they are done away, that there are no revelations, nor prophecies, nor gifts, nor healing, nor speaking with tongues, and the interpretation of tongues. Behold I say unto you, he that denieth these things knoweth not the gospel of Christ; yea, he has not read the scriptures; if so, he does not understand them. For do we not read that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and in him there is no variableness neither shadow of changing? And now, if ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who doth vary, and in whom there is shadow of changing, then have ye imagined up unto yourselves a god who is not a God of miracles.” Mormon (9:2-10)
Joseph additionally exclaimed “profit by this important key that in all your trials troubles and temptations, afflictions, bonds, imprisonment and death. See top it that you do not betray heaven, that you do not betray Jesus Christ, that you do not betray your brethren, and that you do not betray the revelations of God whether in the bible, Book of Mormon, or Doctrine and Covenants or any other word of God. Yea in all your kicking and floundering see to it that you do not do this thing lest innocent blood be found in your skirts and you go down to hell. We may ever know by this sign that there is danger of out being led to a fall and aposticy [sic], when we give way to the devil so as to neglect the first known revelations but whatever you do, do not betray your friend.” This is a copy of the original that was used in “The Words of Joseph Smith” pp 8. The record found in the Joseph Smith papers is an overwritten version that barely resembles this one.
With these statements the church leaders and those who sustain them have pitted themselves against all previous prophets, the man they claim to be the founder of the church and Jesus Christ himself. They have drawn their line in the sand and are guilty collectively, of apostasy. The scriptures and all prophets before now unanimously agree that the trials we will endure are not trials of pitting one faith against another. Its about the teachings that one accepts and whether they are receiving light and knowledge. The spirit “has no other effect than pure intelligence.” (J.S. June 29 1839) The teachings must align with prior prophecy. If pure intelligence is what flows from the mind of God, and Jesus Christ himself was a Prophet, Priest and King then why would we ever let a current claimed mouthpiece override God himself as the Prophet of them all? As Mormon said, “They have denied the revelations of God and put them away.” and Paul saw our day when he said they would be “Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.” (2 Timothy 3:7-9)
Jesus when speaking to the Sanhedrin Said the following
“Woe unto you lawyers also, for you lead men with burdens grievous to be borne, and you yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers. Woe unto you, for you build the sepulchers of the prophets, and your fathers killed them. Truly you bear witness that you endorse the deeds of your fathers, for they indeed killed them, and you build their sepulchers.” “Woe unto you lawyers, for you have taken away the key of knowledge, the fullness of the scriptures. You enter not in yourselves into the kingdom, and those who were entering in, you hindered.” (JST Luke 11)
The sanhedrin were the accusers and judges of all things both spiritual and temporal in the land and they ruled by the Priesthood Office they possessed. This very same thing is evolving now among us as they are effectively killing the words of the Prophets, dismissing the fullness of the scriptures and endorsing and building upon previous bad deeds.
Moroni gives us this warning “O ye wicked, and perverse, and stiffnecked people, why have you built up churches unto yourselves to get gain? Why have ye transfigured the holy word of God that ye might bring damnation upon your souls? Behold, look ye unto the revelations of God, for behold, the time cometh at that day when all these things must be fulfilled. Behold, the Lord hath shewn unto me great and marvelous things concerning that which must shortly come at that day when these things shall come forth among you. Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shewn you unto me, and I know your doing, and I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts. And there are none, save a few only, who do not lift themselves up in the pride of their hearts, unto the wearing of very fine apparel, unto envying, and strifes, and malice, and persecutions, and all manner of iniquity. And your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts. For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted. O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to take upon you the name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies? Because of the praise of the world? Why do ye adorn yourselves with that which hath no life, and yet suffer the hungry, and the needy, and the naked, and the sick, and the afflicted to pass by you and notice them not? Yea, why do ye build up your secret abominations to get gain? And cause that widows should mourn before the Lord, and also orphans to mourn before the Lord, and also the blood of their fathers and their husbands to cry unto the Lord from the ground for vengeance upon your heads? Behold, the sword of vengeance hangeth over you, and the time soon cometh that he avengeth the blood of the saints upon you, for he will not suffer their cries any longer.” (Mormon 8:33-41)
This is the warning and the prophecy of what will befall those who have just done what they have done. Moroni saw them and gave them this warning. Not to other churches but to those who would be reading and basing their leadership on the Book of Mormon. Leaders in the Latter Day Saint faith.
They have built upon a weak foundation and prophesy without seeing.
“And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear the word of the Lord; thus says the Lord God: Woe unto the foolish prophets that follow their own spirit and have seen nothing. O Israel, your prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. You have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the Lord. They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The Lord says — and the Lord has not sent them; and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word. Have you not seen a vain vision, and have you not spoken a lying divination, whereas you say, The Lord says it — albeit I have not spoken?
Therefore, thus says the Lord God: Because you have spoken vanity and seen lies, therefore behold, I am against you, says the Lord God. And my hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity and that divine lies. They shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and you shall know that I am the Lord God. Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace — and there was no peace, and one built up a wall, and behold, others plastered it with untempered mortar, say unto them who plaster it with untempered mortar, that it shall fall. There shall be an overflowing shower, and you, O great hailstones, shall fall, and a stormy wind shall rend it. Behold, when the wall is fallen shall it not be said unto you, Where is the plaster with which you have plastered it?
Therefore, thus says the Lord God: I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury, and there shall be an overflowing shower in my anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it. So will I break down the wall that you have plastered with untempered mortar, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be uncovered. And it shall fall, and you shall be consumed in the midst thereof; and you shall know that I am the Lord. Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall and upon them that have plastered it with untempered mortar, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that plastered it — namely the prophets of Israel who prophesy concerning Jerusalem and who see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, says the Lord God.” (Ezekiel 13:1-16)
What did Jesus have to say about the Prophets?
“And now behold, I say unto you that ye had ought to search these things. Yea, a commandment I give unto you that ye search these things diligently, for great are the words of Isaiah. For surely he spake as touching all things concerning my people which are of the house of Israel. Therefore, it must needs be that he must speak also to the gentiles. And all things that he spake hath been and shall be, even according to the words which he spake. Therefore, give heed to my words. Write the things which I have told you, and, according to the time and the will of the Father, they shall go forth unto the gentiles. And whosoever will hearken unto my words, and repenteth and is baptized, the same shall be saved. Search the prophets, for many there be that testify of these things.” (3 Nephi 23:1-5)
What did Isaiah Prophesy of?
Isaiah 9:14-16 “Therefore the Lord will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day. The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail. For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.”
These leaders are led by the senior most member of LDS leadership. The ancient (lower case A). He, (Nelson) is honored because of his station and not because of any works that merit the title of Prophet. He is also the tail because its a circular pattern that comes back to him being the final say in all of this. He has taught lies that the rest of the leaders teach and cause the people to err. Those that follow them are then destroyed. This is currently coming to completion as well.
Isaiah 28:7 “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.”
This passage illustrates that these leaders are not of sober mind. This isnt actual strong drink and wine its the fact that they are spiritually drunk.
Isaiah 29:9-10 “Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink. For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.”
Nephi expounds on this in his copy of the text which he had. “Yea, it shall be unto them even as unto a hungry man which dreameth, and behold, he eateth, but he awaketh and his soul is empty. Or like unto a thirsty man which dreameth, and behold, he drinketh, but he awaketh and behold, he is faint and his soul hath appetite. Yea, even so shall the multitude of all the nations be that fight against Mount Zion. For behold, all ye that do iniquity, stay yourselves and wonder, for ye shall cry out and cry. Yea, ye shall be drunken, but not with wine; ye shall stagger, but not with strong drink. For behold, the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, for behold, ye have closed your eyes, and ye have rejected the prophets, and your rulers and the seers hath he covered because of your iniquity” (2 Nephi 27:1-5)
It is worth noting that Mt Zion is a high place above the earth with a people that are unified in Christ not in an earthly organization. This earthly organization of puppets has no inspiration and they are not in contact with Heaven. In this final closing era which we just saw last weekend, they have rejected the Prophets. They have fulfilled this prophecy
Isaiah 56:10-11 “His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.”
This is evidenced in recent history. The Church auditing report also claimed that everything was done appropriately. We just saw the SEC had given a $5 million dollar fine to the church for lying and economic fraud. When they purposefully concealed the wealth from the public and church. Roger Clarke, head of Ensign Peak Advisors said “So they never wanted to be in a position where people felt like, you know, they shouldn’t make a contribution”.
In a previous post “churches unto what” I posted about what this means as far as economics go but there are some additional pointed prophecies here as well. They are of little understanding or as put in Timothy “ever learning but never coming to a knowledge of the Truth.” The newest leaders they propped up are all of academic, legal and worldly status. Yet they can’t distinguish truth from error. All of these leaders look to their own way quoting themselves in a never ending spiral of spiritual death.
I would end with this quote.
“The world always mistook false prophets for true ones, and those that were sent of God, they considered to be false prophets, and hence they killed, stoned, punished and imprisoned the true prophets, and these had to hide themselves ‘in deserts and dens, and caves of the earth’ (Hebrews 1:49), and though the most honorable men of the earth, they banished them from their society as vagabonds, whilst they cherished, honored and supported knaves, vagabonds, hypocrites, impostors, and the basest of men” (DHC, Vol. 4, p. 574; also TPJS, 206)
Who are you exalting and who are you following? Prophets are always called as one crying out in the wilderness. They along with all Prophets throughout all time teach the same message as those who went before them.